ordering the c6

[on d bit]

somebody will let us know when chevy releases the c6 order codes right? im thinkin they will be out sometime this coming spring.

gm did not change the look that much which is good but that power to weight in the c6 will be outstanding. from what i understand is that the c6 corvette will have the power of todays z but in much lighter body.

what do you guys think of the new 05 vette?

[DavisZR1]

It's true the Vettes each year gain power and improvement. They did away with the hardtop because of less demand. As far as the C6, some of the Vette owners are partial to the hidden headlights and other characteristics. But, this one seems to be gearing up enthusiasm. GM is sticking with that razor sharp line look instead of more rounded. I personally would take a Z06 hardtop, as I'm not sure that I really like the body style of the C6.

[on d bit]

hey thanks daviszr1.

i just have realized that there is a plethra af activity on this particular forum. he he.

we will keep each other updated info on the c6's as the days get closer to its release. personally i think gm it the nail on the head with this one.
about the headlights i can see why it would be hard to get used to. i have never like pop up headlights on any car, but it has been vette tradition since the c2 from what i understand. think of it as grabbing the open light look from the c1's.

:luxhello: for the vette.

[vincec5]

welcome aboard....I feel the '97 to 2004 C5 hardtop and Z06, which is the second shortest run opposed to the C2 will be recognized for the outrageous styling. Not forgetting that it's the first fixed roof 1999-2000 hardtop and 2001-2004 Z06 hardtop, with a trunk in Corvette history. I don't like the sharp cuts and lines on the pictures I've seen of the C6. We'll soon see. If I don't like it, I might buy a Mustang. Fatherlarry, that is the most outrageous color on the Mustang since the car came out in 1964. The Mach 1 is more outrageous than the original and the Shelby, Cobra, Bullit and Rausch. That hood is really tough looking. I saw that color in person and when the sun hits the metallic.....wow. It' makes the Mustang look very rich.:cheers: ;bt :wave:

[ebonyvette]

Great to have you aboard on d bit! great looking car father! Looks like a baby ZR1 engine:lol:

[on d bit]

Originally posted by vincec5
I saw that color in person and when the sun hits the metallic.....wow. It' makes the Mustang look very rich.:cheers: ;bt :wave:

thanks - i was invited over from the mach 1 registry by larry.
vince c5 your right on the dsg color. that reminds me i have to wash mine. the metallic is brilliant when clean. never had this much fun with a car as i have had with the mach 1. but then again i have never driven a vette either.

im working my way up.:D

[HT99+63]

It's not a question of working your way up, its what you like. After looking at that Mach and the massive overhead 32 valve engine, I wonder which way is working your way up? I love Mach 1's and Mustangs. Nice having you here on d bit.

[Y2KFRC]

Welcome:wave:

[UtahZR1]

Welcome aboard....I'd wouldn't get that C6 until the new Mustang comes out. I wouldn't get rid of that Mach1 either. That's a rare bird....not a Shelby, GT or Cobra, but has everything the Cobra does except for the suspension and the six speed. And what no other mustang has, a ram air shaker scoop. That's even rarer than my ZR1!!! The bodystyle on the Mach 1 will be unique because they are going back to the old retro look of the 60's with the 2005 Mustang. Wish I had both..... My ZR and a Mach.

[on d bit]

thanks for the welcome guys. no i do not plan on selling my mach 1 for any reason. my dad actually had a new 69 trans am. that was the first year of the trans am and only made a little under a thousand. man to have that back would be awesome.

but i do not plan to keep it stock either. mustang a has a few flaws in the chasis, i am going fix these flaws with the griggs suspension set up that uses adjustable koni coilovers. with this system the mach 1 will outhandle the stock vettes and out corner porsches. besides handling it also helps get the power to the ground, to the tune .3 improvement in the 60ft time. thats over a half second at the end of the quarter.:D
im not sure about wheels yet but would like to go to a 9inch wide rim. i am also going to go with the 4:30 gears over the stock 3:55. i heard this gear was made for the mach 1.
i would like to get it so it looks very stock but can run with todays z06 and run circles around the pesky m3's.:D all this while still keeping the engine stock and n/a.

like i said before the c6 will be great. i am more interested in the ordering info because my brothers looking for a corvette and while he is saving he will need to decide between the 5 and the 6.

if only we had bigger garages huh utahzr1:banghead:

[DavisZR1]

I already installed Griggs suspension on some of my customers Mustangs for autocross, and you'll have to go a lot more, in order to come near the Z06 suspension or even stock Vettes, plus Mach 1 is nose heavy, and you're still dealing with a straight axle, opposed to the Cobra. The Vette sits very low and the weight ratio is much more even then the Mustang. The new Stangs for 2005 are supposed to be more balance and may come closer to the C5 suspension. Remember, the C5 is state of the art in handling ability and close to an Indy suspension, especially with the rear where the tranny is rear mounted instead of directly attached to the engine. This C5 gives Porsche 911's, and Vipers a run for it's money in handling. I don't mean to disagree with you but it's a fact. You can make any car handle better, but you'd have to put a lot more than what you're putting in to come close to the C5 suspension.:chevy: :nono:

[UtahZR1]

Originally posted by on d bit

if only we had bigger garages huh utahzr1:banghead:

I have a barn, so I have enough room, I just don't have enough money to get more cars yet. My next one is definitely going to be a '67 C2 big block. BTW, I saw the video of the Mach1. That Mach sounds greeeeeeeeaaaaaaaat!;bt Better than my ZR1! I do believe that the Mach would give my stock ZR1 some trouble. I did turn 12.9 with it.

[brooklynvette]

Great to have you on board. It should make for some interesting and challenging discussions. I feel that the stock C5 will definitely out handle the Mustang, only because the Mustang is based on the same structural design of the old '78's and they weren't very good handlers. So you're taking '70's technology and comparing it with newer technology.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Mach 1's more than the Cobras, especially for quarter mile with the straight axle. How about some pictures?

Also, here's a link to a Mach 1 that had a blower put in. Wayne Rosen, owner of the Mach, did the research and initiated the challenge, and Lou Vasger was the technician. They only found one guy who could revise the computer chip and with the third chip they finally got 11.92 at the quarter mile @ 120.21 mph. They could see even better numbers once they revise the chip.

Mach One And Only (http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0311mm_mach/)

Happy Reading;bt

BTW FatherLarry, that Dark Shadow Gray Metallic, is the best color I've seen on the Mustang yet. It's a work of art.

[on d bit]

daviszr1 - I already installed Griggs suspension on some of my customers Mustangs for autocross,

on d bit - you have great, how much do you charge? i went down to infineon and griggs racing they said they could do the rear for 3k. it would look like this http://mach1forums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=37


daviszr1 - and you'll have to go a lot more, in order to come near the Z06 suspension or even stock Vettes,

on d bit - what i have been told is that with the griggs set up the mustang can keep up on the corners. but it was from john griggs so it is biased but im not sure how much.
the chases is from a 78 fairmont. they designed it in 74 or there abouts and was by no means meant for a sports car. this being said the mustangs chasis is not correctly engineered.


daviszr1 - plus Mach 1 is nose heavy, and you're still dealing with a straight axle, opposed to the Cobra. The Vette sits very low and the weight ratio is much more even then the Mustang. The new Stangs for 2005 are supposed to be more balance and may come closer to the C5 suspension.

on d bit - the roll center in front is to low. the roll center in back is to high. in english the front to low and back is to high. that creates a weight balance issue, with to much weight up front. because of this the mustang exhibits classic oversteer(where the back wheels lose traction first). also there is massive brake dive because of the extra weight from the inbalance in the chasis.
as you know griggs has fabricated parts to change the attachment points of this chasis. they have reengineered the chasis by raising the roll center in front, and lowering the roll center in back. so now that the car is better balanced it can handle better. they do this while lowering the whole car with the adjustable koni coilovers. also by changing the chasis instead of just springs you can lower the car without changing the travel in the suspension. thats a huge plus. the mustang irs creates massive amounts of wheel hop. in fact many cobra owners are swithing back to the live. the full griggs 01 cobra that i rode in had swapped the live axle back in.


daviszr1 - Remember, the C5 is state of the art in handling ability and close to an Indy suspension, especially with the rear where the tranny is rear mounted instead of directly attached to the engine.

on d bit - thats good to know. they have designed the car very well.


daviszr1 - This C5 gives Porsche 911's, and Vipers a run for it's money in handling. I don't mean to disagree with you but it's a fact. You can make any car handle better, but you'd have to put a lot more than what you're putting in to come close to the C5 suspension.:chevy: :nono:

on d bit - correct, the c5 was built ground up to be a sports car and handles with the best in the world. thats what griggs does, they create a new chasis, a race car chasis for the mustang.
i stoped be griggs racing at infineon raceway and asked what it would take to make my car handle like a bmw and porsche? john
griggs then asked if i meant what would it take to make my car handle better than those cars? he also said that it is a lot of fun passing the vettes and porsches on the corners of infineon raceway in a mustang. but the mustangs still do not have the power/weight ratio to keep up on the straights.
also griggs has mustangs that preform on the nasa american iron racing series which is much more intense than the weekend autocross. it is also not cheap. the full suspension is upwards of 7k. yes i could throw lowering springs and a few parts from anyone for a lot less money but it would not fix the problems with the chasis.

on d bit - will it compete with the vettes in the corners i dont know. for sure the vette will be lighter meaning it can brake later and accelerate sooner from any and all corners. but with the chasis built for handleing in both the vette and griggs mustangs the responce in the corners should be very similar.

on d bit - :cheers: to the automobile and the great conversations

[on d bit]

Originally posted by brooklynvette
Great to have you on board. It should make for some interesting and challenging discussions. I feel that the stock C5 will definitely out handle the Mustang, only because the Mustang is based on the same structural design of the old '78's and they weren't very good handlers. So you're taking '70's technology and comparing it with newer technology.

Don't get me wrong, I love the Mach 1's more than the Cobras, especially for quarter mile with the straight axle. How about some pictures?

Also, here's a link to a Mach 1 that had a blower put in. Wayne Rosen, owner of the Mach, did the research and initiated the challenge, and Lou Vasger was the technician. They only found one guy who could revise the computer chip and with the third chip they finally got 11.92 at the quarter mile @ 120.21 mph. They could see even better numbers once they revise the chip.

Mach One And Only (http://www.musclemustangfastfords.com/features/0311mm_mach/)

Happy Reading;bt

BTW FatherLarry, that Dark Shadow Gray Metallic, is the best color I've seen on the Mustang yet. It's a work of art.

pictures are needed desperately. i dont have a digital at my beck and call but hopefully ill have some up soon.

yes i have heard about that mach 1. they used a vortech supercharger from an 01 cobra. a friend of mine had vortech design one specifically for the mach 1 as well. he also had the griggs set up on his mach. outstanding car.

xmp just finished up with a paxton s/c on a mach 1 also. this one is sweet because they put the airfilter in the shaker and the shaker is routed directly to the blower. the only air for the blower is from the shaker.

and a procharged auto just went 11.63 @ 119.

a guy with 5 pds of boost in a turbo has gone 11.8, and someone with a few bolt ons, gears, weight red, and tires did 11.8 as well.

there is also a twin turbo being built as well. the best stock time i have seen is 12.88 @ 106. he did take out the passenger and back seat. but had 1/2 tank when he ran.

these cars are a lot of fun. ford made a great car. chevy has done a few things right as well.:bowdown:

[fatherlarry]

I'm glad you guys are getting along so well. I am very proud of the intelligent conversation instead of mocking each others cars like I see on some forums. Very proud to have you all on board.:smoke: ;bt